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  1. necro>druid* good necro>barb nothing really has a huge weakness in c/c / main char classes, its how you play them, like FB>blizz SvS, a good stacked CR necro doesn't get hurt enough from blizz to die, i doubt you'll meet one in pubs connection/items/skill/luck/build etc always ruin this question, an eng sorc won't take damage from a necro, might not hurt it much but still... IMO a barb kinda would have to play dirty to win a very good bh pally or necro, super defensive/use bow vs bh, none exsist ATM seeing as most good duelers quit, I'll go with necro
  2. and its people like you who convince and support others that orbers are a shit build. Id like to tell you that i do just fine and anyone who has dueled me can attest to that. The only builds that i have trouble with are fb sorcs, wwers, chargers, and trappers. Even then, i can manage to kill most ww chars after a time. Even when someone sorbs and stacks, i still do damage. I have killed 2 raven/stack users in duels, altho it took 20 orbs. You must know how to duel with them. excuse me rike? I'd never lose to trappers/fb sorcs/chargers/wwsins on my sorc? maybe if im joking around, but those are like the easiest duels? i'm well aware of how to duel on an orb sorc. what i said is, that build is weak. not orbers. its overated and good vs like 3 things compared to a real build i didn't say orbers in general, i gave disadvantages of pure energy/stackbmana(seperate) sorcs, and how this adds to some disadvantages they already have PS: using your build will die to one charge, or one ww
  3. who says raising IS/shout/dex isn't bvc? i've used a few block/dex/IS barbs and bvc'd just fine, you gain damage/ar, lose life. but when it comes down to it its the setups, leap helps to of course whos to stop somone from using a bvb or even a 2h-bvb barb in this? you can't tell somone if they're bvb or not :0) to many loopholes for this, and the best bvc zerk/wwer/leaper, who raised zerk/leap and both 100% usless in this duel, won't win
  4. soul shanks can be good on any sorc build... you can hit 86 pretty easy with spirit i love how ever sience we made our es abuse sorcs all the builds are the same, max tk raise es get damage some things you should know about energy reliant sorcs #1 you can't sorc vs sorc light/fire/good blizz AT ALL. #2 open wounds DESTROYS you with or without lifereplenish(which is capped to like 10/15 in gm, and always has been) #3 ES builds don't work unless you try to tank alot, your sorcs iceblast is weak, and her actuall tanking ability is alot less then a DR/3k life/max block/mana sorc, unless you stack bug manas(read 4) #4 most people think the damage you take- your taking ability. as i've proved many times, a pure damage sorc can easily beat these ES sorcs. you break there ES almost instantly with good blizz/blast, they're damage is always weak because they stack bug manas #5 wether or not a barb/wwsin can kill your last hp, theres more then 1 way to do it. my sorcs have been like that, unkillable at 1hp. but trust me, you can die very easily even with gereks and gbane #6 orb is basicly the weakest skill in the game in gm, you can make WOF do the same damage as it, and MB do 1/3 of it. in gm assuming good duelers have 75% resist setups with wiz/nice CR shields, your orb is almost, if not already, doing no damage. a good sorc can still win necros and such on it, but losing those few hundred for "es" and "bug manas" is pointless. if you want to make a VS all viable pvp sorc, using a basic build, raising vita/eng together work, also raising TK ES blizz iceblast orb icebolt and mastry all work with each other to make a nice sorc. mastry is the most important thing in pure vs all, pure damage helps vs some things like cyclone, but you REALLY want your mastry.
  5. griffons by far, the extra -15% is massive in real duels, think of the difference between hotspurs and no hotspurs. lightning does double max of fire to.
  6. i used botd all of 1.1, then i used grief, normally a necro(high end, ss setup with 4k + life after oak etc) would take more then a full ww, now the same types of necro die almost instantly, blockers take like 2-3 good hits grief IMO seems to be much better botd has alot of these bad hits when you duel sorcs/necros, you get like 2-3 hits of a ww and don't deal damage, i find grief hits less, like 2 hits per ww rather then 3, but it hits ALOT harder. botd almost always gives 3, botd has its moments but grief is bettter. although it has 450-450 damage it also somtimes has bad hits, not exactly sure why. i tested it for a hour one day and every little while it would hit for no damage
  7. alot of the high end mld leagues now are capped at below 50, to remove items like 40/15ias, and grief's. i don't mld myself, but my friend told me some of the level caps in his league, i know for a fact lvl 58 has been bm for a while because of duped jewels/items mainly 40/15 alot of them are like lvl 4x or 5x using random items like eth oath on barb, because of the mass amount of new items they had to change rules. if its just for fun for yourself, below lvl 60(and including) is considered "MLDING" below 30(and including)is considered LLD PS the point of MLD is to remove the high end cookie cut skills/items from pvp, its not the people can't afford these items, in many cases people have 4X 24max jewels worth about 40+ runes each in LLD setups. people aren't complaining about cap because they can't afford it, they're doing it to keep the runewords/dupes out of the dueling. most pure lld/mld have extremly unique items/build, and they don't involve dupes or runewords
  8. no offense if a zon is fcing, teleing around it so it never hits is fine, but it eventually will hit on almost anything except maybe a defensive blizz sorc if you want to kill it just be very offensive, you have to remeber farcast still takes a namelock wether you do it legit or hacked, people can't dodge other peoples skills very well if they're holding down a lock or even shift clicking, and if you're very offensive you put them in dodge lock. they more or less just run away
  9. ps my rules are right~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  10. why are you dodging my question e-star, you must be the skinnest/whitest kid in the world if you don't know why namelock cyclone etc isn't bm, you're bad^__^ bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad 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  11. speedlander gona dodge my question forever, whats one point you brought up because your elite copy+pasting skills, none of us have seen it man. you just get right defensive like a true nerd and talk about why im such a "namecaller", you're a idiot, oh look there i go again ><!
  12. You see, I can't bring any points to your attention because by your own admission... So you haven't read my posts and yet you are demanding that I "name one point I brought to your attention"? How would that work? Even if I answer you now with a rehash of everything I have said, you won't "read more than the first line." Rendering this whole exercise little more than a funny sideline. I just love these traps you set for yourself. ----------------------------------- marvel, you don't WANT anything brought to your attention that actually varies from whatever reality you've created for yourself in your head. Anything that disagrees with your view is automatically wrong and those disagreeing are *insert name-calling here*. You never intended to actually debate the issue, you just created a new thread because you were upset you lost in the last thread and further, that I got the last word before it was locked. So this was your attempt to say "I am right and you are wrong", to name-call, and to go "nanananana" with your fingers stuffed in your ears whenever anyone disagrees with you. Huh? I feel bad for you. Every time you break down into swearing, name-calling and illogical diatribes it reminds me of those movie or story scenes where the asylum inmates are babbling and playing with their own feces as the doctors try to cure them of their insanity. So sad.YOU started a debate thread specifically to get me to debate you, and then you say this after I make every effort to do so: It's been....well, it's been something I guess... When you learn how to actually debate a topic, feel free to check back in. bring up a point yet scrub shit? you're bad^___^, OMGOOSES NAMELOCK IS BM, ILL ARGUE WITH SOMONE WHO KNOWS MORE THEN ME BECAUSE I THINK IM GOOD ><<!<!<!<!<!<<!<!<!<!<!<!<!<!<!<!<!<! ps i am right, you are wrong. me being on d2 for 5 years/ in every d2 channel/league GM wise every created on east with the exception of like skarpk yes i am right do you know what gosupvp pvp-east d2pvp weakness GIMMEITAM or anything is? because we all made those rules, we are all better then you at dueling, we all gm. you just think you can argue with me about 5 year set/edited rules^___^
  13. everyone off this site is off d2 its going to be much higher anywayz, i voted for counterforces^____
  14. You realize you just make yourself look like an idiot posting this right? You start a thread to debate me but you never read any of my posts? The thing I find funny is that you're willing to publicly state something that makes you look so juvenile. again, name 1 point you brought to my attention becides you copy+pasting a joke list of gm rules pubs on cs say awps are not allowed, does that make it true? you don't fucking say anything except 3 paragraphs of what you didn't say. stupidkid8 or whatever made one point that beats anything you said, i think everyone will agree lol
  15. i'll bold this so you understand, i think i'll underline it to BM/GM RULES ARE THE SAME FOREVERY GAME- BEING IN A PUB DOESNT MAKE IT LEGIT, BUT DOING IT IN A PUB HAS NO CONSEQUENCES do i need to put in italic to so you understand?
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